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	<title>Comments on: Why startups use open source and why they should be open to others</title>
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		<title>By: Vishnu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vishnu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have my own problems as a entrepreneur at least in India

 How many people really know about pascal, ruby on rails, php? to develop a web application.


But I can find a hand full of people who can work with asp.net, Partially trained or good programmers doesnt matter but I can find them easily when compared with other above technologies.

Obviously, if less resources then the demand is higher and eventually the pay must be higher but in the case of ASP.Net that is not an problem.

Well, Purely my assumption.. Correct me if am wrong..

V is always up for criticismmmmmm :D

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have my own problems as a entrepreneur at least in India</p>
<p> How many people really know about pascal, ruby on rails, php? to develop a web application.</p>
<p>But I can find a hand full of people who can work with asp.net, Partially trained or good programmers doesnt matter but I can find them easily when compared with other above technologies.</p>
<p>Obviously, if less resources then the demand is higher and eventually the pay must be higher but in the case of ASP.Net that is not an problem.</p>
<p>Well, Purely my assumption.. Correct me if am wrong..</p>
<p>V is always up for criticismmmmmm <img src='http://www.pluggd.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>V</p>
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		<title>By: Pravin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pravin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With risk of generalization I will say techie entrepreneurs tends to use OS while non techie moved to MS and others. Finally techies loves copy paste</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With risk of generalization I will say techie entrepreneurs tends to use OS while non techie moved to MS and others. Finally techies loves copy paste</p>
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		<title>By: Rajs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Sun offers something similar - in.sun.com/startupessentials/
Per the website - 

&quot;
Sun Startup essentials program consists of: 
Discounted servers 
Discounts on storage 
Open source software 
Discounted partner hosting 
Free technical advice and training 
Co-marketing opportunities 
&quot;

The most important thing here is last point on &quot;Co-marketing&quot; opportunities. I cnt think of too much benefit due to disocunts on servers and storages unless the start up itself is in serious hosting business.

Rajs
http://blog.thoughtsinprogress.co.in</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even Sun offers something similar &#8211; in.sun.com/startupessentials/<br />
Per the website &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8221;<br />
Sun Startup essentials program consists of:<br />
Discounted servers<br />
Discounts on storage<br />
Open source software<br />
Discounted partner hosting<br />
Free technical advice and training<br />
Co-marketing opportunities<br />
&#8221;</p>
<p>The most important thing here is last point on &#8220;Co-marketing&#8221; opportunities. I cnt think of too much benefit due to disocunts on servers and storages unless the start up itself is in serious hosting business.</p>
<p>Rajs<br />
<a href="http://blog.thoughtsinprogress.co.in" rel="nofollow">http://blog.thoughtsinprogress.co.in</a></p>
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		<title>By: Parin S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parin S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is nothing new as such this z again a part microsoft&#039;s sucking monopolistic way ppl who l use M$ products simply come under them where&#039;s the freedom ???? Nothing can replace Open Source not even Microsoft the but surely one day the latter will get replaced............totally...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nothing new as such this z again a part microsoft&#8217;s sucking monopolistic way ppl who l use M$ products simply come under them where&#8217;s the freedom ???? Nothing can replace Open Source not even Microsoft the but surely one day the latter will get replaced&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;totally&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it&#039;s low-cost web services built on open-source tech. :) Use them, stop worrying about low-value stuff inside your walled garden, and focus on your company&#039;s top line. 

Many of the utility Web 2.0 companies are excellent at what they do. Look at 37Signals for example. Startups benefiting from the ecosystem of new companies who are usually much cheaper and equally effective at something if it&#039;s got a Web 2.0 analogue.

Crush the big players ... I say, and with them their overpriced, unfriendly, unwieldy and baroque products that only large enterprises are able to afford and dumb enough to buy. &quot;TCO&quot; in enterprise software is an elusive measure because you&#039;ll never know what would have happened if you didn&#039;t buy... so it&#039;s just marketing propaganda in the end. I&#039;ve bought enough of that stuff myself to know.... Read More

What matters is that it&#039;s fast and cheap to set up, does the job well and reliably, has no learning curve, and no long-term commitments.

I would say use open source in situations where you need to customize heavily, and are prepared to participate in open-source (and give back in the form of fixes, features, and feedback). It&#039;s hard to do but we have to try. 

It&#039;s hard for me to fathom my company valuating hugely on open-source foundations, without giving back. I used to do a ... Read Morelot of open-source OS work, and that was a good enough excuse for a while... but this year I need to pull up my socks and figure out where my company can reciprocate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it&#8217;s low-cost web services built on open-source tech. <img src='http://www.pluggd.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Use them, stop worrying about low-value stuff inside your walled garden, and focus on your company&#8217;s top line. </p>
<p>Many of the utility Web 2.0 companies are excellent at what they do. Look at 37Signals for example. Startups benefiting from the ecosystem of new companies who are usually much cheaper and equally effective at something if it&#8217;s got a Web 2.0 analogue.</p>
<p>Crush the big players &#8230; I say, and with them their overpriced, unfriendly, unwieldy and baroque products that only large enterprises are able to afford and dumb enough to buy. &#8220;TCO&#8221; in enterprise software is an elusive measure because you&#8217;ll never know what would have happened if you didn&#8217;t buy&#8230; so it&#8217;s just marketing propaganda in the end. I&#8217;ve bought enough of that stuff myself to know&#8230;. Read More</p>
<p>What matters is that it&#8217;s fast and cheap to set up, does the job well and reliably, has no learning curve, and no long-term commitments.</p>
<p>I would say use open source in situations where you need to customize heavily, and are prepared to participate in open-source (and give back in the form of fixes, features, and feedback). It&#8217;s hard to do but we have to try. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard for me to fathom my company valuating hugely on open-source foundations, without giving back. I used to do a &#8230; Read Morelot of open-source OS work, and that was a good enough excuse for a while&#8230; but this year I need to pull up my socks and figure out where my company can reciprocate.</p>
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		<title>By: Microsoft Crowd Uses comScore Numbers to Lie Again &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Microsoft Crowd Uses comScore Numbers to Lie Again &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] those who take the money always have excuses and justifications for what they do. How about this rather FOSS-hostile new post which ends with:  Disclosure: MS is a pluggd.in sponsor – but that relationship has no influence [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] those who take the money always have excuses and justifications for what they do. How about this rather FOSS-hostile new post which ends with:  Disclosure: MS is a pluggd.in sponsor – but that relationship has no influence [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anand Nalya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anand Nalya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David

&lt;i&gt;I like building things with the best tools and for me, those tools are the free software ones&lt;/i&gt;

Thats exactly my point, the first preference is given to the tools that we are familiar with. Are they opensource or properietry is secondary, at least in early age startups.

Also, the express editions of .NET family have started gaining some traction recently which is actually good. Competition don&#039;t hurt the end users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David</p>
<p><i>I like building things with the best tools and for me, those tools are the free software ones</i></p>
<p>Thats exactly my point, the first preference is given to the tools that we are familiar with. Are they opensource or properietry is secondary, at least in early age startups.</p>
<p>Also, the express editions of .NET family have started gaining some traction recently which is actually good. Competition don&#8217;t hurt the end users.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sterry</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Sterry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anand Many younger techies are really cutting their teeth on free tools. They&#039;re using commodity hardware to run websites and create databases. Even creating a popular web app doesn&#039;t require signing a deal with MS. Frankly, I like building things with the best tools and for me, those tools are the free software ones. Tools like Apache, PHP, MySQL, Perl have been built by people like me for people like me. 

There&#039;s another benefit. I spend 0 of my time and money worrying about licensing, licensing servers, and if I don&#039;t like something, I just uninstall. No contract to back out of or product that needs to be returned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anand Many younger techies are really cutting their teeth on free tools. They&#8217;re using commodity hardware to run websites and create databases. Even creating a popular web app doesn&#8217;t require signing a deal with MS. Frankly, I like building things with the best tools and for me, those tools are the free software ones. Tools like Apache, PHP, MySQL, Perl have been built by people like me for people like me. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s another benefit. I spend 0 of my time and money worrying about licensing, licensing servers, and if I don&#8217;t like something, I just uninstall. No contract to back out of or product that needs to be returned.</p>
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		<title>By: Anand Nalya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anand Nalya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from the cost factor another important factor deciding the techonogy/software used by startups - especially the early stage ones - is how confortable are the founders with particlular techonology, as the first aim of the startup is to get out in the wild as early as possible. 

You don&#039;t have a couple of months to learn a new technology before shaping your ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from the cost factor another important factor deciding the techonogy/software used by startups &#8211; especially the early stage ones &#8211; is how confortable are the founders with particlular techonology, as the first aim of the startup is to get out in the wild as early as possible. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have a couple of months to learn a new technology before shaping your ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Anuj Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anuj Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft has specific plans like Empower and MAPS, that brings down the TCO for Windows based application development to nearly &#039;0&#039;.

MAPS provides 10 licenses of Windows and many of their other popular apps for less than $400.

If startups cannot afford this, I really wonder!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft has specific plans like Empower and MAPS, that brings down the TCO for Windows based application development to nearly &#8217;0&#8242;.</p>
<p>MAPS provides 10 licenses of Windows and many of their other popular apps for less than $400.</p>
<p>If startups cannot afford this, I really wonder!</p>
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