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	<title>Comments on: RubyLearning.Org by Satish Talim</title>
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		<title>By: Victor Goff</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-156230</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Goff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some folks learn by reading, and from the participants that are actively posting.  Sometimes that is enough for them to get from the course what they want or need.  Other times, it is simply that they are &#039;shy&#039; and won&#039;t speak up.  Those that submit code and are obviously having difficulties understanding are invited to have more one on one assistance, and I take the time to walk them through the exercises, assisting where I can.

Sometimes it is simply language barrier problems.  We work through those, as we have mentors that aren&#039;t limited to only english.  
Sometimes it is just getting them over the first few hurdles, especially for those that are coming from 0 experience programming, where Ruby is their first programming language.  We have had successful students coming from very little computer experience as a user, and zero experience programming to being able to adequately solve problems with Ruby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some folks learn by reading, and from the participants that are actively posting.  Sometimes that is enough for them to get from the course what they want or need.  Other times, it is simply that they are &#8216;shy&#8217; and won&#8217;t speak up.  Those that submit code and are obviously having difficulties understanding are invited to have more one on one assistance, and I take the time to walk them through the exercises, assisting where I can.</p>
<p>Sometimes it is simply language barrier problems.  We work through those, as we have mentors that aren&#8217;t limited to only english.<br />
Sometimes it is just getting them over the first few hurdles, especially for those that are coming from 0 experience programming, where Ruby is their first programming language.  We have had successful students coming from very little computer experience as a user, and zero experience programming to being able to adequately solve problems with Ruby.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Uplawski</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-121351</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Uplawski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and then, it is *not* the &quot;Newbie&quot; which causes me the most trouble, but the experienced programmers.

Those may be the reasons, that some of us ignore the sometimes less demanding task to introduce people to programming... Convincing people, longer in the business, than ourselves, that they *have to* smash their darned paradigms to the benefit of a fresh Ruby-experience is so much more difficult. I hate that. At the same time, I have been doing that for almost twenty years, though not always in IT. 
Newbies of the world: You may be much less of a nuisance, than you are willing to admit to yourself. EOF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and then, it is *not* the &#8220;Newbie&#8221; which causes me the most trouble, but the experienced programmers.</p>
<p>Those may be the reasons, that some of us ignore the sometimes less demanding task to introduce people to programming&#8230; Convincing people, longer in the business, than ourselves, that they *have to* smash their darned paradigms to the benefit of a fresh Ruby-experience is so much more difficult. I hate that. At the same time, I have been doing that for almost twenty years, though not always in IT.<br />
Newbies of the world: You may be much less of a nuisance, than you are willing to admit to yourself. EOF.</p>
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		<title>By: rubysiddhi</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120700</link>
		<dc:creator>rubysiddhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes I agree :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes I agree <img src='http://www.pluggd.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120630</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all newbies (and i consider myself to one - even tho I&#039;m listed on the site as a mentor) *IS TO BE INVOLVED*

Ask the stupid question, ask it again and again until you DO GET IT as it is everyones collective roll to HELP the novice to understand!

I&#039;ve never found it easy to learn by doing little exercises but by doing something that I want to do.

If that is you then try and use what is done in the weekly classes and put it into your program.

JUST GET INVOLVED in the discussions also helps with the understanding of the topic being studied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all newbies (and i consider myself to one &#8211; even tho I&#8217;m listed on the site as a mentor) *IS TO BE INVOLVED*</p>
<p>Ask the stupid question, ask it again and again until you DO GET IT as it is everyones collective roll to HELP the novice to understand!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never found it easy to learn by doing little exercises but by doing something that I want to do.</p>
<p>If that is you then try and use what is done in the weekly classes and put it into your program.</p>
<p>JUST GET INVOLVED in the discussions also helps with the understanding of the topic being studied.</p>
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		<title>By: rubysiddhi</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120443</link>
		<dc:creator>rubysiddhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MichaelUplawski I suppose it can be expected that total newbies have been coming in recently. My background is pure right brain as I was just an artist. Now I am working on the left brain by learning Ruby and that means I am bringing a whole new set of newbie issues to this course. Newbie 2.0 perhaps? :) I will keep posting these issues in the course forums. S33 ya there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MichaelUplawski I suppose it can be expected that total newbies have been coming in recently. My background is pure right brain as I was just an artist. Now I am working on the left brain by learning Ruby and that means I am bringing a whole new set of newbie issues to this course. Newbie 2.0 perhaps? <img src='http://www.pluggd.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I will keep posting these issues in the course forums. S33 ya there!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Uplawski</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120289</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Uplawski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rubysiddhi, this aspect is returning frequently and I still feel, there is s contrast to the &quot;old days&quot;, when I remember Newbies having been able to follow the course.

Anyway, IMO, it *should* be possible and I like to make this one of the main objectives of my own engagement on RubyLearning.org. The ambiance changes in each batch the ways of teaching may too. I had always seen this as the unequaled, unbeatable charm of the project. But if we really close out newbie-programmers, we have a problem. *I* have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rubysiddhi, this aspect is returning frequently and I still feel, there is s contrast to the &#8220;old days&#8221;, when I remember Newbies having been able to follow the course.</p>
<p>Anyway, IMO, it *should* be possible and I like to make this one of the main objectives of my own engagement on RubyLearning.org. The ambiance changes in each batch the ways of teaching may too. I had always seen this as the unequaled, unbeatable charm of the project. But if we really close out newbie-programmers, we have a problem. *I* have.</p>
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		<title>By: Satish Talim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Satish Talim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruby-Talk is the most popular mailing-list and deals with general topics about Ruby. Ruby-Talk is mirrored by the comp.lang.ruby newsgroup -
news:comp.lang.ruby
and Ruby-Forum.com -
http://ruby-forum.com/

Hope that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruby-Talk is the most popular mailing-list and deals with general topics about Ruby. Ruby-Talk is mirrored by the comp.lang.ruby newsgroup -<br />
news:comp.lang.ruby<br />
and Ruby-Forum.com -<br />
<a href="http://ruby-forum.com/" rel="nofollow">http://ruby-forum.com/</a></p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
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		<title>By: rubysiddhi</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120186</link>
		<dc:creator>rubysiddhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ruby Learning course takes you to places where intro Ruby books do not go it seems. It is not a course for someone who has never programmed more than HTML or CSS. For those newbies I would suggest reading the first several chapters of Ruby intro books. Then when you get to the course, the impact will not make you want to quit. We see many people join the course but it seems only 1/15th of them actually participate in the forums. I figure the rest are not serious or just give up since they are overwhelmed. Just a heads up for newbies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ruby Learning course takes you to places where intro Ruby books do not go it seems. It is not a course for someone who has never programmed more than HTML or CSS. For those newbies I would suggest reading the first several chapters of Ruby intro books. Then when you get to the course, the impact will not make you want to quit. We see many people join the course but it seems only 1/15th of them actually participate in the forums. I figure the rest are not serious or just give up since they are overwhelmed. Just a heads up for newbies.</p>
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		<title>By: makuchaku</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120053</link>
		<dc:creator>makuchaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There had to be one such comment...
Best when ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There had to be one such comment&#8230;<br />
Best when ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: arvind</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120046</link>
		<dc:creator>arvind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What crap?? Dude learn to appreciate efforts from people... It&#039;s damn easy to talk crap about genuine work by using standard stupid terms like &quot;paid PR exercise&quot;. 

And if you can&#039;t figure out difference between paid PR exercises and real good work, one can only leave you alone in the caves that you are living in.

-Arvind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What crap?? Dude learn to appreciate efforts from people&#8230; It&#8217;s damn easy to talk crap about genuine work by using standard stupid terms like &#8220;paid PR exercise&#8221;. </p>
<p>And if you can&#8217;t figure out difference between paid PR exercises and real good work, one can only leave you alone in the caves that you are living in.</p>
<p>-Arvind</p>
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		<title>By: Anuj Rathi</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120042</link>
		<dc:creator>Anuj Rathi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that a blog post or a paid PR exercise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that a blog post or a paid PR exercise?</p>
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		<title>By: Satish Talim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Satish Talim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you pluggd.IN for mentioning RubyLearning.

Maku, Vijay, Matt, Gautam, Anil, Yogesh, Michael, Arvind thanks for your wishes.

Arvind, RubyLearning has been teaching Ruby online since 2005 and has had over 25,000 registered participants from over 140+ countries. The Jan. 2008 Core Ruby class had 2200 participants as mentioned by Peter Cooper on RubyInside -
http://www.rubyinside.com/rubys-top-teacher-in-2008-satish-talim-1396.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you pluggd.IN for mentioning RubyLearning.</p>
<p>Maku, Vijay, Matt, Gautam, Anil, Yogesh, Michael, Arvind thanks for your wishes.</p>
<p>Arvind, RubyLearning has been teaching Ruby online since 2005 and has had over 25,000 registered participants from over 140+ countries. The Jan. 2008 Core Ruby class had 2200 participants as mentioned by Peter Cooper on RubyInside -<br />
<a href="http://www.rubyinside.com/rubys-top-teacher-in-2008-satish-talim-1396.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rubyinside.com/rubys-top-teacher-in-2008-satish-talim-1396.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: abhishek</title>
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		<dc:creator>abhishek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m fan of satish talim,
:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m fan of satish talim,<br />
 <img src='http://www.pluggd.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: arvind</title>
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		<dc:creator>arvind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really? That is a great fan following Satish...:-)

Cheers,
Arvind
@marvindanig</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? That is a great fan following Satish&#8230;:-)</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Arvind<br />
@marvindanig</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Uplawski</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120019</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Uplawski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep it up a little longer and Satish may finally turn the whole blue planet into a Ruby. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep it up a little longer and Satish may finally turn the whole blue planet into a Ruby. <img src='http://www.pluggd.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Yogesh</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120015</link>
		<dc:creator>Yogesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Satish is Computer Boffin as well as good person.

Yogesh  ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Satish is Computer Boffin as well as good person.</p>
<p>Yogesh  ?</p>
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		<title>By: Anil Wadghule</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120013</link>
		<dc:creator>Anil Wadghule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Satish Sir is doing great work! His Ruby learning tutorials helped me understand Ruby in early days. Keep up the great work Sir!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Satish Sir is doing great work! His Ruby learning tutorials helped me understand Ruby in early days. Keep up the great work Sir!</p>
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		<title>By: Gautam Rege</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120011</link>
		<dc:creator>Gautam Rege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to go Satish! This mention is thoroughly well deserved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go Satish! This mention is thoroughly well deserved.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Chen</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120008</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Satish&#039;s guide really helped me understand the underlying principles and core concepts of ruby, and his rubylearning.org are full of great learning materials and practices about ruby and rails, which makes  huge contribution to ruby community and help lots of people like me to shorten learning curve on ruby.

Satish, thanks again for your help.

Thanks,
Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Satish&#8217;s guide really helped me understand the underlying principles and core concepts of ruby, and his rubylearning.org are full of great learning materials and practices about ruby and rails, which makes  huge contribution to ruby community and help lots of people like me to shorten learning curve on ruby.</p>
<p>Satish, thanks again for your help.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Matt</p>
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		<title>By: vijaymishra</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120006</link>
		<dc:creator>vijaymishra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice one Pi. Keep up the good work Satish!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one Pi. Keep up the good work Satish!</p>
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		<title>By: makuchaku</title>
		<link>http://www.pluggd.in/rubylearning.org-by-satish-talim-297/comment-page-1/#comment-120003</link>
		<dc:creator>makuchaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Satish&#039;s work in helping Ruby community is unparalleled.

Good going Satish!

--
Maku</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Satish&#8217;s work in helping Ruby community is unparalleled.</p>
<p>Good going Satish!</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Maku</p>
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