Infy not to hire Satyam Employees [Double Standards]
Infosys is often termed ‘opportunistic’ and known to take the higher ground at the right time.
Case in point, the company has asked it’s HR department to not hire employees from Satyam.
On Hiring Satyam Employees: “We have asked our recruitment staff not to poach anybody from Satyam. The company is in the middle of a crisis and people will jump ship”. Infosys has even advised staff against entertaining calls from Satyam employees.
On acquiring Satyam – “We will not touch such a tainted company.” – ET
While it’s fine to not acquire Satyam, its a simple double standard to not hire Satyam employees. The basic assumption behind this decision is that Satyam employees also participated in Raju’s chaos story. Before the chaos, Infy was easily poaching employees from Satyam, but post Raju’s disclosure,each and every Satyam employee becomes a criminal.
Mr. NRN, why do you want to take a higher moral ground – always?Don’t you know that employees are under a serious trouble for no fault of theirs? (20,000 Satyam resumes Floating around) and according to this report, Satyam might have an issue paying salary to it’s employees.
Why not respect talent?
Agreed. The comments from Infy are sheer opportunistic. Never thought they would descend to such cheapness. Mr Murthy & Co, please learm how to talk before you start barking
hey man , just maintain a moral code of conduct.Do u know for whom you are saying this , a true gem in his own league.What he has said is coz they are now themselves having 30% of their staff on bench and due to global meltdown , can’t absorb any more.
dear all …… WHAT EVER THE MEDIA PAINTS ….. ALL INDIANS AR FED UP WITH THIS SICK OUTSOURCING BACK END COMPANIES LIKE INFOSYS ETC….. TALK WHAT EVER ….. ITS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE FEELING THAT HAS CREPT IN ……
Clearly shows the opportunistic attitude of Infosys. If they really are high on moral values, they should never recruit people from other firms also.
This isn’t as bad as we are seeing it. They are infact helping Satyam … Isnt that good? Satyam till yesterday was in the Top 5 IT cos in India …//
They are taking advantage, Infosys has to check there moral values once. they are in very grond level.
Dear Mr Narayan Murthy (henceforth referred to as Vitthal Kanya) – I have personally lost all due respect that was left for a person of your demeanour. Mr Kanya, I really do not see the need for your opportunitic comments including the ban on recruiting Satyam employees or your ever sarcastic quote: “we will not touch a TAINTED company”. Thanks but no Thanks Sir, we do not want another top leadership fiasco with the likes of you even coming neat our company, we will be more than satisfied with bigger names like IBM and HP queing up for our org than a small whimp like your organisation even considering to buy us. Please get a life !!
Currently, Saturn is transiting through Sun, which brought bad name and fame. Moreover, Jupiter and Rahu are in combination in the sixth house, which may create entangled legal issues and an arrest warrant may be issued in his name. Moreover, the solar eclipse, which will occur in the sixth house of his Sun chart and in the tenth house of his Moon chart on 26th January 2009 will have a negative impact on his life.
If one Raju makes up the entire satyam then one phaneesh Murthy & Co. makes up sinposys.
Really can’t understand whats happening in the SATYAM world as of now. But you need to catch the BIG FISHES and punish them severely and do justice for the innocent employees.
A Take over or merger of SATYAM might be an option in this worst situation.
Highly deplorable comment by Mr Narayan Murthy.
There is really no difference at the employee level or at the work level between the IT services companies. They all earn a cut from the hard work put in by rank and file employees who often have to work in foreign lands on weird visas on unknown technologies. My best wishes to all Satyam employees. Please do not lost heart.
Ignore Mr Murthys comments. This shows how much respect he has for the ordinary employee who gives these IT czars a 40-50% tax free cut from their hard earned billing rates month after month. Again good luck to all Satyamites. It is not your fault.
Hey guys – This is absolutely unfair. What Infy is trying to do is not defame the company or get mileage through this episode. Satyam’s core asserts are its employees like any other IT company and if all them leave the company every single shareholder of Satyam will hold nothing but a blank peice of paper. It would be very convenient and for Infy or other companies to fill up areas where they are weak and Satyam is strong (like ERP,) and that is what it is trying to do.That is very ethical thing to do. I am not sure if people who are bickering here are Satyam employees, if you are ..understand it right ..it is good for you in the long turn
“It would be very convenient and for Infy or other companies to fill up areas where they are weak and Satyam is strong (like ERP,) and that is what it is trying to do”
What i meant was that is what they are telling they wont do..
At this time of crisis, empathizing with the stakeholders of Satyam is what is needed. Instead, resorting to “throwing stones” would only reveal the true colors of Murthy & CO. Why not maintain some restraint if you really care for your fellow humanbeings? Hope God gives help you grow up and empathize with people. Mr. Murthy anyway you are not going to do any good for satyam, then why doing more damange.
Santosh,
By your logic, if employees are everything in an IT company. Then the only thing that is worth saving in a sinking IT company are its employees. There is no physical manufacturing or IP that needs to be saved. Unfortunately, saving employees is exactly what Mr Narayan Murthy is ruling out. The moral high ground is laughable. For example, it would be highly unethical to approach Satyams clients and try to take over their projects. He never said that Infosys will not do that. He only said he wont touch the beleagured employees. This shows the amount of respect he has for the people who give his company a cut from their hard earned billing rates. Again best wishes to Satyamites. We stand behind you and feel your pain.
I would expect large companies to start hiring from Satyam. Why would anyone want to “not” hire from Satyam. I don;t mean to say companies should start hiring 1000s of people. At least the top 0.5% – 1% from Satyam. Kind of stupid any which way you wan to look at it.
Business – hiring a 25 yr experience manager from Satyam has never been easy; talent doesn;t knock on your doors everyday.
Economic -The company that hires holds the upper hand in terms of negotiations; employees are looking for security at this point (will I be able to pay my EMI? Will I be able to pay the rent, etc? – Not will I get a bonus 2 months after joining, Will I get stock options? etc)
I am not sure if Murthy has said that Infosys will not be recruiting Satyam employees or he has only talked about not taking over the Satyam as company. If he has talked about not recruiting Satyam Employees just because of what happened from past one week, then I feel so sad to hear this from Mr. N R Narayna Murthy such comments.
In one of the news channel Mr.Nadan has referred Satyam (a rough company). Mr.Nandan, how transparent is your Infosys. Infosys is acting as though it is a role model for the entire world in the corporate governance. Please be noted that no company is true and transparent in the books as they claim and Infosys is no exception. Time will let know the reality soon.
Just wait and watch Satyam we will bounce back and will create a history.
Double standards?
1. “Satyam’s [business] is tainted, we don’t want to consider buying it.” – NRM
2. “Satyam is in middle of a crisis and employees jump ship. Don’t hire [ that's being evil]” – someone in HR
I don’t see any double standards in this!!
For all we know, it could as well be… Infosys has no interest in hiring a lot of people and someone in HR spinned it this way. These days, Its almost impossible to find what has actually happened.
-Mahesh
Celebrating Life…
I am not a fan of Infy Or Mr Murti In Particular. However I do feel that the he was making the comment when he was asked about the possibility of Infy taking over Satyam. I doubt the credibility of news which says Infy has decided not to hire at all from satyam and even restrained its employees from picking up calls from satyam employees. But even if infy hires in bulk former satyamties ;it may create internal cultural problems in Infy(Its a not an issue that can be easily addressed or easily explained).
I dont fancy satyam’s hiring process. I would also like to make very clear that I not mentioning all hires. But I am personally aware about more than once instance in which a person with fake experience is hired by satyam with the help of favorable internal “contacts” inside satyam. I also don’t believe it is a practice that is restricted only to satyam. but as far as I know; It happens too often in satyam.
Such incidents also taint the image of employees who got hired purely on the base of merit.
The comment of NRN was quit deplorable.What employees of satyam have done wrong, I am sure 99% of them were unkown that what was cooking in their co. It was Mr. Raju who committed such kind of act , definitly he should penalised not their employees.
Guys
There are two statements (clearly stated in the quotes):
“We have asked our recruitment staff not to poach anybody from Satyam. The company is in the middle of a crisis and people will jump ship”. Infosys has even advised staff against entertaining calls from Satyam employees.
The second one is on acquiring Satyam:
“On acquiring Sataym – “We will not touch such a tainted company.”
Hey Ashish
I did not understand how these translate to double standards?
Its sad that most of the comments pick on NRM when all he said was “We don’t want to consider acquiring a tainted company”. Which is completely fair.
-Mahesh
Celebrating Life…
Mahesh;
I guess you didn’t see the main point –
“We have asked our recruitment staff not to poach anybody from Satyam. The company is in the middle of a crisis and people will jump ship”. Infosys has even advised staff against entertaining calls from Satyam employees.”
Isnt that a double standard? Till yesterday, you were hiring (poaching) employees from satyam – and now taht the brand name is damned, you say ‘we will stay away from this’.
Have clearly demarcated the two quotes.
It is not clear from Infy’s HR decision, that they have decided to do this BECAUSE satyam employees are somehow a party to this whole scandal. It may well be a nice gesture to Satyam in its precarious situation. Infy doesn’t lose much by “not poaching” when hiring is low these days anyway. Its new HR policy could well be a gift to Satyam just to allow it to retain employees and thus, clients.
The “basic assumption” that you mention is not evident from the article but suggested by you. Hence, the confusion among readers.
You are accusing NRN of something he has not said. The “tainted” comment was in the context of acquiring Satyam. When did NRN say that satyam employees are criminals too?
It’s a double-edged sword for NRN. If he had said “Infosys extends a warm welcome to Satyam employees”, people would have been all over him accusing him of exploiting Satyam’s troubled condition. Damned if he says yes, damned if he says no,
While I don’t expect Pluggd.in to be of journalistic integrity, this is something that definitely stands out. Another example here: the post started as “Infosys is often termed ‘opportunistic’ and known to take the higher ground at the right time.”. Termed by who? I may not be very well-read and that is why I could have appreciated a link or two to validate that claim.
I hope IT junta doesn’t start hating each other now over this.
cheers
nilesh
Just a reader. Have nothing to do with Satyam or Infy in anyway. I am not a “fan” of NRN or Raju either. Just clamoring for logical thinking.
Well
NRN has clearly said that ‘We have asked our recruitment staff not to poach anybody from Satyam. ” – the article appeared in ET (see the link in the article).
Its good to use logical thinking, but how can one you define this as a a “nice gesture to Satyam in its precarious situation”. (your basic hypothesis is that satyam employees join only infy).
“It’s a double-edged sword for NRN” – keeping your mouth shut and not playing the ‘higher ground’ is a no-edged sword.
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On Infy’s higher ground – why did they sack Phaneesh murthy? dont you know the story? What went behind the ‘out of court settlement’?
PS: This is a blog and not a news site – carries opinions (and with any blog, one is welcome to reject/debate that).
> “Isnt that a double standard? Till yesterday, you were hiring (poaching) employees from satyam – and now taht the brand name is damned, you say ‘we will stay away from this’.”
@Ashish If Today is quiet different from Yesterday, Changing my stance to reflect it is not double standards.
Hiring employees of your competition is good for the talent marketplace and translates to Respect the talent
BTW, Poaching is too strong word for that!!
Infosys saying: “We won’t hire Satyam’s employees now” means We don’t want to be evil and take unfair advantage of the situation.
The debates on being good corporate citizen and acting responsibly are too fuzzy anyway and can be pushed in either direction. I have a lot of respect of NRM for what he has done and a bit biased on this.
-Mahesh
Celebrating Life…
@Mahesh T, Dude why do you have to support infy here?
“Infosys saying: “We won’t hire Satyam’s employees now” means We don’t want to be evil and take unfair advantage of the situation.” – dont you see that Infy is also asking its employees to not entertain satyam employees?
And dont u think infy will start poaching satyam clients?
Well..I guess you need to get the business meaning of what lies behind thse statements..
I am really surprised to hear the TAINTED comments from NRM.
All these days we have known NRM to have a mind mature enough to look beyond Infosys and someone with larger interests like our economy, infrastructure issues or IT industry as a whole. Was that a pretended face of NRM?
I never expected NRM to act as a high-hindered self-proclaimed godfather of the IT industry at a time when the industry was experiencing the worst ever corporate fraud. Isn’t it a duty of any influential person to understand the far-reaching impact of this fraud on Indian outsourcing industry as a whole and act sensibly rather than making frivolous comments on television?
It wasn’t centuries ago when another Murthy – Phaneesh – NRM’s blue eyed boy TAINTED Infosys. Going by NRM’s logic, if Satyam employees become untouchable for the fraud Raju did, how could NRM and Infy employees be TAINT free for what Phaneesh did?
Disclaimer: I am not employeed with Satyam nor hold any shares of Satyam. I am employed with an IT company of repute – managed & mentored by empathatic humans.
Consider this case ..
imagine the large contract that was being under satyam suddnly moved to INFY (some million dollar contract). and the domain and technology was not that popular and it is difficult to get people easily for such scarce skills.Would INFY mind hiring those ‘NO-JOB satyamities’??….
client dont consider on what basis company hires talent..they have strict norms about quality and duration for work done..thats it …..Business is Business no matter what !!!
Their HR decision has nothing to do with morality. They have not stated that they would avoid hiring satyam employees BECAUSE they are somehow bad. I think they will be looking to poach clients, instead of employees. The job market is in employers’ favor these days anyway.
cheers
nilesh
@Nilesh,
Do you really think that HR can take such a bold decision?
” think they will be looking to poach clients, instead of employees. ”
What is the goal here. Is it to help Satyam get back on its feet by not poaching its employees in their dark hour ? So is poaching customers morally higher in Mr Murthys book ? Thousands of customer relationships have been built by daily interactions of hapless Satyamites. I think it is only fair that in a billing/cut business other IT companies make use of this windfall opportunity and preserve the billing and salaries of Satyamites.
I dont recall other IT companies taking digs at Infy when Phaneesh Murthy settled crores for sexual misconduct.
If Satyam is to come out frm this, they’ll need their employees to stay with them. In that sense, Infy may actually be helping Satyam stay afloat. If Satyam do go under, then they may choose to act differently. But for the time being, a mass exodus of employees can only hurt Satyam. Even if many do get alternate employment, the fate of most of the 50,000 employees will only worsen if ppl start leaving Satyam.
@pluggdin this is 3rd grade reporting. In fact it is not reporting but you being farting on your blog. Any sensible person would know that you have drawn your own conclusion from two different statements and came out with a story which you knew would get your more hits and comments.
Shame on you. Go and work for India TV. Next time I expect you to come out with even more sensational headlines… buy some hindi novels form Bus stands.
BTW, instead of reporting on every thing happening in world, why dont you stick to your domain which you claims to known is startups in India.
@gaurav, – what conclusion have I drawn? You seem to be a typical indiatv viewer.
go fug somewhere else.
@Ashish, fug is what you need disparately….
Read those two statements and please tell us…the lesser mortals how you arrived on conclusions..
Below are your two statements
On Hiring Satyam Employees: “We have asked our recruitment staff not to poach anybody from Satyam. The company is in the middle of a crisis and people will jump ship”. Infosys has even advised staff against entertaining calls from Satyam employees.
On acquiring Satyam – “We will not touch such a tainted company.”
Now read your own premise “The basic assumption behind this decision is that Satyam employees also participated in Raju’s chaos story”.
Now without even any thought one can easily see that this story hangs on this premise which is cooked up without any substance behind it. I can say that the basic assumption behind Raju’s fraud is that he wanted to save his ailing mother from dying and so he is justified in making this all. Please do not try to make premises..
Just go fug.
@gaurav, dude
“Before the chaos, Infy was easily poaching employees from Satyam, but post Raju’s disclosure,each and every Satyam employee becomes a criminal.” – how do you explain Infy’s stand here?
What premise are you talking about?
Dont you see the last line – i.e. Respect Talent – that’w what Infy should be doing.
I think you have read too much between the lines.
Anyways, each one to himself.
@Ashish, each and every criminal has become an employee???….ah sorry you mean each employee has become a criminal!! who said that? NRN….!!! the bad boy of Indian IT!! All of us now should join startups…the great Indian copycats…just because it is sooooooooo frigging cooooooooooolllllllllll……
And as I said….I am looking for some smart asses for my beedi business…. IIM types….. smart sales people…for selling beedis…..
@gaurav, – you seem to be making imaginary sense of data (i dont think this post ever made any correlation between the 2 statements) – infact what’er has been mentioned is out there in public (i.e. ET).
@Asish, From an Indian IT perspective I think it makes sense at this time not to poach employees from a company that is already troubled. This is called solidarity and not oppurtunism.
I think a twisted sense of morals is what gets people to see that all actions are meant to be evil.
I think more than respect talent we have a bigger issue at hand how to restore credibility and I respect NRM for standing up and showing solidarity. Of course if Infosys had announced that they would accept all employees the post would have all read Infosys acting as a vulture.
My two cents.
@gaurav – yes and no.
I agree with your point of view..
Basic issues that I have with Infy’s attitude is to treat Satyam employees as untouchables (Infosys has even advised staff against entertaining calls from Satyam employees.)
People will quit in these times and they all should be treated with respect.
yes, there are credibility and due dilligence issues (i discussed here: http://www.pluggd.in/indian-it-industry/satyam-keyword-3514/)..but all I want cos. to do is to respect employees.
Imagine if you were working for Satyam and you are rejected by Infy, just because you were part of the brand.. to me, that’s demeaning..that’s an insult.
And yeah, I am extremely sorry about the adjectives used earlier..(momentary lapse of reason)..
@Ashish,
I am extremely disappointed with this post. You have jumped the gun without understanding the true issue and are trying to create a frenzy with Infy bashing. If these statements are true – I dont trust everything written in the media as they are hell bent on sensationalising stuff – it was only to ensure that the Satyamites stay and help execute customer projects on hand. Satyam can still come out of this clean if they can retain customers and the only way to do this is by demonstrating commitment to executing projects on hand. If employees quit – and I am not syaing they should not – it will only cause more damage , to the entire industry. If you dont agree with this point of view, I rest my case.
Please donot do stuff for the sake of sensationalising stuff and getting hits on your site – there are a number of TV channels doing this already. Build credibility ….
@gaurav, did you say startups!!! like what??? I run a beedi business…a great startup….we do things different….door to door…beedi selling……….JIT… wana join!!!
@ Ashish Will Infy poaching the top employees at Satyam help the remaining ones? With top ones gone, the chances of Satyam closing down will only increase. 10,000 may get a job, but the remaining 40,000 may struggle. U’ll know better on how realistic this scenario is, but I got the feeling Infy was trying to help the 40,000 who may struggle, rather than do disservice to 10,000. Again, its my personal opinion and I don’t want to go beyond it.
@Arby K, – Like I said ‘Respect Talent’ – that’s what I’d expect Infy and the likes to do.
@Ashish, I got that. I thought it was more of a show of solidarity like “we know Satyam employees are hurting, but we don’t want to make it worse for them by taking the best and leaving the rest high and dry”. A PR message (They may in reality recruit a few here and there). Would have helped if they expanded on their anti-poaching statement to remove any ambiguities.
@Ashish, … ah the great expectations……Hello world…please wake up….Mr. murthi please ….can you …read all this….you should read pluggdin every day and listen to Ashish and run Infy the way he wants you to do……nah…in fact you should read all blogs and then run Infy the way they want……..
Well….I am still looking great people to help me in my high risk door -to door beedi business….. I am expanding you know…….
Sathyamites ask NRN does he know what all nonsense is going on at Infy Mangalore…a woman employee distributing wedding cards is crippled for life..the person who caused it rewarded & promoted to Vice President..why are employees from non-kerala states are quitting?……where are values that NRN is preaching??
@Anonymous, hey ramesh so it is you…u wanted to become a VP but couldnt because you screwed up that Banking project!! Ah!!! and other guy who screwed two projects was promoted….and that is troubling you…….
Well, this is how it is…life is not so fair is it? What how would NRN know about you!! He never distributed his wedding cards……So we know you are Non -Kerala…. now. Are you also quitting and going like to ..Onsite or what!!
NRN might be preaching values…but what have you got my friend? Want to take some risk and join my door to door beedi business????
There is a lesson for us here from NRN’s words. While we can emotionally get carried away by attribution…let us see what the statements mean for us in future.
1. HR was not instructed to Poach employees. This is a nice gesture I would say as at this time, if the employees desert …the existing work shall get affected and thereby customers and again thereby SATYAM. I agree media has its way of putting this across.
Other lesson…it is very important for us to self-select our employers. The moment we notice there is something fishy we better stay away from it for it is going to come back to us some time. And we can not claim when things go wrong it is management’s fault and not ours because we got associated with that already.
A man is known by the friends he keep…remember the proverb?
SATYAM always had those symptoms from early on. HR-RECRUITER NEXUS…./LOW MARGIN PLACEMENTS../FORAY INTO BUSINESSES THAT ARE KNOWN FOR SHADY PRACTICES.
Should we have not taken a clue from that and all good people should have avoided the company. If all good people have avoided, where would have been SATYAM today
THE ONLY REASON FOR THE TRIUMPH OF THE EVIL IS FEW GOOD MEN DECIDE TO DO NOTHING…EDMUND BURKE.
I hope all those FI’s start staying away from investing money into companies of less known integrity and do more due diligence.
And we self-select our employers and not adopt an attitude…..of blaming the management for fault
@Varun,
You are short of saying the entire organisation is at fault!
Tell me how many of you or your colleagues can actually read a annual results or a pP and L document?
Not all may wish to get into the mgmt funda’s.
-Sri
P.S : I ‘ve never ventured anywhere near Satyam in my life
P.P.S : Are you from infy ?
P.P.P.S : Your English is really good!
@Sri, you seems like reading annual reports all the time….like even reading them while doign your potty…… or do you merely use them as toilet paper!!!
@spider, Hum Due Diligence, early indiations. I am not sure whether people are fully aware of what is corporate governance , OECD , DD etc and what is the role and limitation of a poor employe in this kind of manipulations which is greatly orchetrtaed by industry Giants like PWC. Just Vomiting the unnknow terminologies will not prove that we are clever enough to digest these procedings. Otherwise you will not be a employee and would have floated a company by this time. So pls………………shutup.
Ashish,
This incident could have been avoided had Mr Murthy and everyone else had shown their maturity and been silent.Problem with the media…..we all need flashing news and expert comments!
A competitor’s mistake does not necessarily entitle and empower you as an ‘expert’ to pass comments.
My two cents.
P.S : Have never been an employee of either of the companies.
@Sridhar hey hi…. Sri….., but why are you telling this to ashish…he is very much part of media…or the other side of it who want to be the better side it….. but cant think of what side of it….whatever…..
P.S. I have never been an employee….I am a proud entrepreneur……I own a beedi shop…and I am looking for some helpers…..
@spider,
Cool!
I don’t think the comment regarding double standards is correct. Nasscom requested all its members not to poach Satyam staff, as it will further jeopardize the company, which is already in crisis. Any company, infosys or anyone else will go cherry picking and can poach best of the staff and will put existing projects of Satyam in crisis. So, they are trying to help and its not the opposite. Anyway I think that mediocre people will face the boot, as is happening in other IT companies too. Good people will retain their jobs, either with Satyam or any other company.
@veer, employees will start looking out (irrespective of what nasscom says)..qns are raised over whether satyam can pay salaries or not (and looks like the answer is tilting towards no)..
The idea is very simple – hire talent, the way you were hiring earlier as well (with no bias against/towards the brand).
And is nasscom also asking biggies to not poach satyam clients?
Murthy comments are simply tarnishing the nation image and shows how the cruel is that Old fox. If they dont want let them do it so. Who stopped them. What they are trying to porve by making such public statements. Attorcious. Bloody fellows to be kicked out os the streets.
Take a deep breath and calm down.
Think from the perspective of Infosys. Satyam is still under investigation by half a dozen government agencies and the extent of the fraud is unknown. Even if the satyam’s rank-and-file employees had no knowledge (which is likely), they are still a part of the investigation, and are likely to be deposed/interrogated by the investigative agencies. Under the law, _ALL_ email accounts/other communication of such employees can be opened up. Infosys simply doesn’t want to get involved in what promises to be a length legal wrangle.
And it’s not like Infosys is desperately seeking to expand.
You need to think for a minute before writing such emotionally charged triades.
@Aditya Kulkarni,
I have taken a deep breath, and now I am calm…Satyam has a strenght of 53000 employees and if investigating agency come, do you mean each and every employee including the developers and Project managers are to be questioned by CBI……This assumption is ridiculous.
Even if Infosys, had a good intention of not poaching (This poaching is only to employees and not to satyam clients) then why they talk this big in Media…Just a small instructions to HR is enough…Why publicise….and instructions to Infy employees not to even entertain calls from Satyam is something stupid and mockery of a Good Corporate Governance…..Is Infy a third rate provision store or a professional company……
When TCS,WIPRO,HCL all are maintaining professional majestic silence, why Infy alone loafing around and making ugly unsolicited statements as if they are the self proclaimed Messiah of IT industry……….
Now Infy had set a new trend of CORPORATE APARTHEID……and its implications are goiing to be disastorous……………..
Probably we have to wait to get a new Nelson Mandela to wage war against CORPORATE APARTHEID POLICY OF INFOSYS.
Can’t understand the stupidity of the author?
All Infosys is saying is that the poor competitor is in a crisis and its survival has ramifications for India as an IT hub. They are just being considerate on the company and giving it some time to clean up its act. It’s just responsible behaviour because hiring from other companies happens all the time. They are just being generous now and like one of the comments suggested, Infosys does not need to hire now anyway. So this comment is just an attempt at gaining moral high-ground.
Companies always recruit from each other. What’s wrong in that? By saying that they won’t recruit now, they are encouraging other companies to say the same and ensure Satyam has a chance of survival.
@Randhir, – Are you saying Infy will not poach satyam clients?
“By saying that they won’t recruit now, they are encouraging other companies to say the same and ensure Satyam has a chance of survival.” – But there are 20,000 CVs floating – what do you do with that? Let them commit suicide? Close all the doors?
CORPORATE APARTHEID……Dangerous trend set by ugly comments of NRN and Pai of Infosys.
WILL NRN SAY PUBLICLY THAT HE WILL NOT POACH ANY SATYAM CLIENTS FOR ONE YEAR FROM NOW…………..If the client approaches, will he have the guts to say – HEY YOUR ARE THE CLIENT OF TAINTED COMPANY…WE INFY DONT SERVE YOU………Will he have the guts…………………………..Dear Mr.NRN, if you can help give some constructive suggestions, else just shut up your mouth and a(s)s and keep quiet!!!!!!!!!!! Dont give loose talks…Also advise the same thing to Mohandas Pai….
This shows the real cheap attitude of the people who run Infy. Also the likes of NRN and Nandan Nilekani act like self-proclaimed role models. They set wrong trends and what’s more diappointing is the semi-literate Indian crowd folling it. I would not be surprised if more companies follow this, as a dictum. This is a rediculous move by NRN.
All the best to Satyam Employees.
Mr. Murthy, I was a employee in many big orgnization in india, And now I am a consultant and workiing for most reach organization in USA, for which infy come as a vendor and is been fighting to get a project with some false/true commitments. and in my whole working life I come to know that work is important than the company for which you work. So before making such type statments Please don’t blame employee when organization manegment bodies are not doing well. Today Satyam did wrong tomorrow it could be your company too. and a Question for you will infy say no to satyam’s clients?
@ Ashish : NASSCOM has now followed up with a statement requesting not to poach ppl frm Satyam as a sign of solidarity. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Business/Dont_poach_Satyam_staff_Nasscom/articleshow/3956081.cms
I am working for Satyam ..it is not a TAINTED Company.
It is just a maneuver gone terribly wrong
Guys- I think all of you people who are doing NRN bashin should understand a couple of things .
1) NRN never said anything about Satyam employees
2) In fact Mohan das pai in his first statement after this news broke out said he was empthazing with the 50000 employees who are innocent and are caught up in this controversy. 3) The intention of that statement about employees was that Infy will not proactively poach employees from Satyam and destablize it further 4) Mohandas pai again yesterday said that they will not do the same for Satyam customers (actively poach). 5) A very popular economist suggested in Times of India that if there is someone who can turn this around for Satyam with his strength of Integrity and goodwill, it is NRN. See Just because Infy is not doing this it is not like other companies will not do it. They will try esp in the weak economic sceanrio and might even succeed. But Infy says it wont do it just because it is not the right thing to do. @Amarand – The word Tainted just suggest that a company where there have been some malpractices or unethical behaviour. With all the news report in the past couple of weeks. There is no doubt that satyam’s Chairman has been indulging in a lot of mal practices. That’s what all he said and Infy as company does find it a good strategy to acquire a company which will reduce it brand value which it has invested so much on. I think we all should be proud of NRN irrespecive of what companies we work for. He has somebody whom all business leaders all over the world should emulate for his integrity.
@Vivek –
“When TCS,WIPRO,HCL all are maintaining professional majestic silence, why Infy alone loafing around and making ugly unsolicited statements as if they are the self proclaimed Messiah of IT industry……….
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Let me answer why this is so. It is not like Infy is calling a press conference and making this statements. It is because the media sees Infosys as a leader in the IT industry and they solicit their opnions. I know many people here will have issues with this statement. But anyone who understands IT industry at large knows that though it is the second biggest company it’s quarterly results are considered the benchmark as to how Indian IT industry is faring ..Similarily when the news broke the media wanted to know what Infy thinks. Vivek – if you dont think what is said is the case ..I can take that. It is only an opinion and you are entitled to your opinion
Well author of the post seems to simply take up articles from ET and took no pains to analyze it !!
Naryan Murthy clearly explained this on CNBC TV ( Refer Sunday news- Morning ) where he states that how ppl took his statement in an unhealthy manner. He instructed HR so in order to keep the biggest asset ( read employees ) of Satyam in Satyam !! Any buyout/merger or clients would have only reason to do business in future with Satyman only for its talent pool !!!!!!!
So, dear readers …please do not blindly follow/comment a news but follow it sensibly !!!
Who are you fooling? Infy’s Pai has clearly said that
“. We will not proactively approach their clients and customers either… but clients have to decide for themselves and they have the right to choose their partner at work,”
- why cant same principles be applied to satyam employees?
Alrgt – Shame on those who said Infy did it for it’s greatness!!
Its quite out that Infy is now very much open to get Satyam clients – and so are others.
So, why this ‘moral ground’ Mr NRN?
I have worked with satyam for over 5 years. Its a great company, I have friends who are there since last 10 years. What raju did in 90s, infy started doing it in early 2000’s
Wipro talks about Intrapreneurship now, Entrepreneurship was a core value in satyam in 90s…and I have experienced the great work culture (freedom) that by far is non existent in any indian IT company
I am yet to see an Infy guy who is (today) proud of being at Infy, whoever I spoke to cribs about the rotten culture. Its all great PR at work.
Time for some soul searching and not being opportunistic. Infy has a bench, they need satyam’s customers and not their employees and that is evident by the way they are talking.
There are plenty of stories/rumours about Infy and their bad culture.
I just today spoke to a lot of my friends in satyam and ex satyamites….They are showing great solidarity with their company and have a Great BELIEF in their organization….They will overcome this and will probably emerge bigger, better and MOST CLEAN (No one is BLACK or WHITE…we all are shades of grey….)
When in early 2000 satyam had created competencies in consulting, own products and enterprise products, infy, wipro etc were still Y2K and support….they poached heavily on Satyam to get ready talent on packaged products….They forgot who created this Talent (high end skills) when others were converting IITs and IIMs into rag pickers (low end support jobs)…today there is dearth of high end talent bcos some companies used IITs for support jobs….
What raju and others did is unpardonable crime, but that doesnt mean 50K employees are also equally bad….At this stage we need people to come in their support and not play games and be opportunistic….its not just about Satyam, its about saving India’s image…Lets rise above petty things and help save country’s pride
They are trying to take advantage, Infosys has to first check to values once. whether they are in very good level or not
Clients can approach but not employees….This is not right, wtever happened with employees have no role in that, they were not even aware of it.
@spider, looks like you have entered a comment troll zone!
@Ashish, Heres how i see it
1. it could be bad for Infy’s brand image to hire Satyam employees, I think you have missed that point.
2. i believe that because of the scale of the scam, there wudv definitely been more people involved in it than just the top management. It is to a large extent a failure of the system not just the top management.
3. I know for a fact that a simmilar instruction has been given by NRN to the Infy marketing team to NOT to go after the clients of Satyam proactively. Though only the future will tell how seriously this is followed, but it is consistent with not poaching.
4. I believe that at a time like this when a company is in such crisis, it is the right thing to do, for the sake of the innocent people (employees and shareholders) in the system, to not try to take away the greatest resource of the company.
That was my view on this. I also disagree with you on… “The basic assumption behind this decision is that Satyam employees also participated in Raju’s chaos story. ” … The statement from Infy in no way indicates this assumption. Thus it is your assumption of their assumption
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Overall i feel that this article is a little less thought out than most of your other articles. Or prob just very well thought out from a marketing perspective.
Regards
Ishan
@Ishan, – that’s where my basic point is..
to respect talent.
And let me tell you that you are completely wrong on the client side – all the biggies will try to poach satyam’s clients.. – so why treat employees as untouchables?
I am more driven by neutrality of the situation and the not the business gains (or to say, minimize loss) to Infy (and the likes)..
regd. the assumption, its clear from infy asking its employees to not entertain satyam resume.
Frankly speaking, most of the employees will start looking out in such a situation and closing doors is just not right – and as i have been saying this ‘respect talent, the way it should be’.
@Dolly, ” Satyam can still come out of this clean if they can retain customers and the only way to do this is by demonstrating commitment to executing projects on hand” – are you assuming that other biggies have not started poaching satyam clients?
Dream on.