Comments on: Technology for Startups – PHP or .Net? http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/ We Heart Startups! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:53:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Trix http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-117994 Trix Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:09:04 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-117994 you are trying to build a business ,mind you. you think saving Rs 15000 by not using asp.net mssql and visual studio is a business advantage? asp.net has an amazing ecosystem with so many other firms providing different kinds of asp.net controls. asp.net web hosting is cheap at 5$ a month and u have so much of choice. you are trying to build a business ,mind you. you think saving Rs 15000 by not using asp.net mssql and visual studio is a business advantage?
asp.net has an amazing ecosystem with so many other firms providing different kinds of asp.net controls.
asp.net web hosting is cheap at 5$ a month and u have so much of choice.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-807 Anonymous Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:01:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-807 For Mobile Web Applications - Using .NET will be BEST as you need not code for WML, HTML, XHTML (and cHTML etc..) separately. The .Net framework takes care of it based on the request headers it receives from the clients. <br/>If you were to code the same web app in PHP, you would need to read the headers and have separate codes for generating the above mentioned formats.. which is very tedious and gives rise to issues like maintainance across the formats.<br/>Further, the time required to build such an app is considerably low using .net thru Visual Studio.<br/><br/>So, for Mobile Web applications, .Net is a clear winner!!<br/><br/>Any comments are most welcome.. For Mobile Web Applications – Using .NET will be BEST as you need not code for WML, HTML, XHTML (and cHTML etc..) separately. The .Net framework takes care of it based on the request headers it receives from the clients.
If you were to code the same web app in PHP, you would need to read the headers and have separate codes for generating the above mentioned formats.. which is very tedious and gives rise to issues like maintainance across the formats.
Further, the time required to build such an app is considerably low using .net thru Visual Studio.

So, for Mobile Web applications, .Net is a clear winner!!

Any comments are most welcome..

]]> By: Vicky http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-805 Vicky Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:25:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-805 I can't find anything special in Ruby Language it's a child of Python. as PHP is child of PERL.<br/><br/>ROR is a framework, not a language. You can compare ROR with CakePHP not with PHP language it self.<br/><br/>BTW attraction towards ROR is not Ruby language, but most powerfull javascript framework PROTOTYPE.JS which ROR uses internally to show application doning some web2 stuff. I can’t find anything special in Ruby Language it’s a child of Python. as PHP is child of PERL.

ROR is a framework, not a language. You can compare ROR with CakePHP not with PHP language it self.

BTW attraction towards ROR is not Ruby language, but most powerfull javascript framework PROTOTYPE.JS which ROR uses internally to show application doning some web2 stuff.

]]> By: Jayanth http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-798 Jayanth Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:31:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-798 Just to cut the tension, I got a book FREE from Microsoft in some college seminar on Mobile ASP.NET (Any Takers?) Just to cut the tension, I got a book FREE from Microsoft in some college seminar on Mobile ASP.NET (Any Takers?)

]]> By: Ramjee http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-796 Ramjee Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:30:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-796 From my use of ASP.NET and PHP, i feel the speed with which you can develop stuff in asp/visual studio/MSSQL is immense. (I haven't tried ROR, so unable to comment on that).<br/>I am sure there are a lot of hosting issues and the cost involved.<br/><br/>Here it boils down to TOP (Total cost of the product). Though I am in total favor of OSS for my solutions. I guess we cannot rule out AVM (Asp,Visual studio,MSSQL) for dev.<br/><br/>Also checkout this link for startup help from Microsoft. (http://microsoftstartupzone.com/)<br/><br/>@Sri<br/>Would appreciate a lot if you have post on TOP(Total cost of Product) including dev, resources, deployment, maintenance etc. From my use of ASP.NET and PHP, i feel the speed with which you can develop stuff in asp/visual studio/MSSQL is immense. (I haven’t tried ROR, so unable to comment on that).
I am sure there are a lot of hosting issues and the cost involved.

Here it boils down to TOP (Total cost of the product). Though I am in total favor of OSS for my solutions. I guess we cannot rule out AVM (Asp,Visual studio,MSSQL) for dev.

Also checkout this link for startup help from Microsoft. (http://microsoftstartupzone.com/)

@Sri
Would appreciate a lot if you have post on TOP(Total cost of Product) including dev, resources, deployment, maintenance etc.

]]> By: Pradeep B V http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-795 Pradeep B V Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:02:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-795 Please take a look at <br/><br/>http://www.ohloh.net/articles/php_eats_rails<br/><br/>And to know where do Apache or IIS stand have a look at this.<br/><br/>http://survey.netcraft.com/Reports/200706/byserver/<br/><br/>You are free to draw you own conclusions. Please take a look at

http://www.ohloh.net/articles/php_eats_rails

And to know where do Apache or IIS stand have a look at this.

http://survey.netcraft.com/Reports/200706/byserver/

You are free to draw you own conclusions.

]]> By: Sri... http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-794 Sri... Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:26:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-794 @terry<br/><br/>So should i again shell out $195/server for the IIS mod_rewrite along with Windows license fee,software up gradation, annual maintenance and off course fro the .NET framework. @terry

So should i again shell out $195/server for the IIS mod_rewrite along with Windows license fee,software up gradation, annual maintenance and off course fro the .NET framework.

]]> By: Terry http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-793 Terry Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:25:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-793 You can get mod_rewrite and and .htaccess functionality on IIS with IIS Mod-Rewrite:<br/><br/>http://www.micronovae.com/ModRewrite/ModRewrite.html You can get mod_rewrite and and .htaccess functionality on IIS with IIS Mod-Rewrite:

http://www.micronovae.com/ModRewrite/ModRewrite.html

]]> By: Sri... http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-792 Sri... Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:44:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-792 @Aashish<br/><br/>well its a Open source concepts which I am found off and looking fro brighter spectrum in this regard, I am least bothered with MS coming with Mobile applications, u need to understand mobile was brought by SUN and JRE is open source now<br/><br/>so, Kannel i pointed becoz its pretty old and been used worldwide,and I we got to be looking fro options of how to monetize the needs rather than thinking what MS would bring with new Visual Studio, so if you could afford for commercial license then very well its viable for you, I am looking at Cheap, but yet Best and its OSS @Aashish

well its a Open source concepts which I am found off and looking fro brighter spectrum in this regard, I am least bothered with MS coming with Mobile applications, u need to understand mobile was brought by SUN and JRE is open source now

so, Kannel i pointed becoz its pretty old and been used worldwide,and I we got to be looking fro options of how to monetize the needs rather than thinking what MS would bring with new Visual Studio, so if you could afford for commercial license then very well its viable for you, I am looking at Cheap, but yet Best and its OSS

]]> By: rarv http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-791 rarv Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:25:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-791 Agree with Sri...First thing that goes into any devlopment phase in the cost of the project,which is where PHP surely has the Edge<br/><br/>unhelpful "service unavailable" messages you get which are traits of MS version of IIS is wat i hate <br/><br/>Very True u will have really Ugly URL's when posted on have IIS like Thread no or post number<br/><br/>ASP.net and PHP mode seems to be the way out for coding geeks Agree with Sri…First thing that goes into any devlopment phase in the cost of the project,which is where PHP surely has the Edge

unhelpful “service unavailable” messages you get which are traits of MS version of IIS is wat i hate

Very True u will have really Ugly URL’s when posted on have IIS like Thread no or post number

ASP.net and PHP mode seems to be the way out for coding geeks

]]> By: Aashish Solanki http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-790 Aashish Solanki Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:19:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-790 @ sri<br/><br/>See thats a good insight!<br/>The new version is coming right. But what point I was making is the <b>'already exiting feature'</b> and <b>'coming soon factor'</b><br/><br/>I completely agree with the points you made and why MSSQL is sometimes better.<br/><br/>And right kannel is a open source option. But how many of today's legacy system programmers migrate to it when asp has built in. Just a view. Nevertheless am sure it has a bigger base than the competitor! @ sri

See thats a good insight!
The new version is coming right. But what point I was making is the ‘already exiting feature’ and ‘coming soon factor’

I completely agree with the points you made and why MSSQL is sometimes better.

And right kannel is a open source option. But how many of today’s legacy system programmers migrate to it when asp has built in. Just a view. Nevertheless am sure it has a bigger base than the competitor!

]]> By: Sri... http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-789 Sri... Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:49:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-789 If ASP.net can bring mobile platform , why do you think it difficult for a PHP community to build upon, you need to subscribe for the newsletter's at the PHP site, you would get more details and insights of developing API's for WAP gateway and on open source channel.<br/><br/>there are ample of OSS for WAP too, <br/>check this : <br/>http://www.kannel.org/<br/>its matter of time to get things done, there are many INDIAN startups with PHP and WAP adaptable running, on a PHP level its too very easy to go ahead and get things done in quick time,<br/>even the supportive J2ME calls to be made on a JSP pages is more expensive in this regard.<br/><br/>Wait for next version of PHP with built in support features for WAP gateway! If ASP.net can bring mobile platform , why do you think it difficult for a PHP community to build upon, you need to subscribe for the newsletter’s at the PHP site, you would get more details and insights of developing API’s for WAP gateway and on open source channel.

there are ample of OSS for WAP too,
check this :
http://www.kannel.org/
its matter of time to get things done, there are many INDIAN startups with PHP and WAP adaptable running, on a PHP level its too very easy to go ahead and get things done in quick time,
even the supportive J2ME calls to be made on a JSP pages is more expensive in this regard.

Wait for next version of PHP with built in support features for WAP gateway!

]]> By: Aashish Solanki http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-788 Aashish Solanki Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:37:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-788 <b>@sri</b><br/>Good comparison in the above post.<br/><br/>One point I would like to make Sri is asp.net is witnessing certain amount of changes and a big step with compatibility on <b> mobile platform</b> of your asp.net code simply amazing.<br/><br/>Correct me if I am wrong, asp.net code can be made mobile compatibility in a jiffy with a single mouse click!<br/><br/>Ok, that apart asp.net has <b> Visual Studio</b> to its support which is brilliant! <br/><br/>But as always you have a price tag attached to all that I am mentioning and its from MICROSOFT!<br/><br/>I swear by LAMP, its the most deadliest combination on web with 70% or more sites running on apache. <br/><br/>Nice topic to debate on, will talk more on it with Sri in office tomo! [:P]<br/><br/><b>@ajay</b><br/>ROR is coming up rapidly, but with a <b>HUGE php fan followers </b> its difficult to replace php.( a case of Java vs anything else scenario)<br/><br/>ROR is great because it allows to quick start an app, build rather than manage. But lot of development and scalability issues are there. <br/><br/>EG: Cleartrip.com started with ROR but then it could not handle well so they had to migrate. <br/>Read this --> <b>http://www.cleartrip.com/forums/39/topics/99</b><br/><br/>But all said and done, thumbs up to ROR! I see a faster growth for ROR than phb, at the same time more adopters of php than ROR.<br/><br/>so a matter of time!<br/><br/>waiting for your thoughts! @sri
Good comparison in the above post.

One point I would like to make Sri is asp.net is witnessing certain amount of changes and a big step with compatibility on mobile platform of your asp.net code simply amazing.

Correct me if I am wrong, asp.net code can be made mobile compatibility in a jiffy with a single mouse click!

Ok, that apart asp.net has Visual Studio to its support which is brilliant!

But as always you have a price tag attached to all that I am mentioning and its from MICROSOFT!

I swear by LAMP, its the most deadliest combination on web with 70% or more sites running on apache.

Nice topic to debate on, will talk more on it with Sri in office tomo! [:P]

@ajay
ROR is coming up rapidly, but with a HUGE php fan followers its difficult to replace php.( a case of Java vs anything else scenario)

ROR is great because it allows to quick start an app, build rather than manage. But lot of development and scalability issues are there.

EG: Cleartrip.com started with ROR but then it could not handle well so they had to migrate.
Read this –> http://www.cleartrip.com/forums/39/topics/99

But all said and done, thumbs up to ROR! I see a faster growth for ROR than phb, at the same time more adopters of php than ROR.

so a matter of time!

waiting for your thoughts!

]]> By: Jayanth http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-787 Jayanth Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:30:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-787 ROR will rule soon..<br/><br/>But HOW CAN YOU LIKE MSSQL?? <br/><br/>NO ONE USE IT.. sorry about the caps though.. :) <br/><br/>You are contradicting yourself when you say you like MSSQL and you say use MYSQL! ROR will rule soon..

But HOW CAN YOU LIKE MSSQL??

NO ONE USE IT.. sorry about the caps though.. :)

You are contradicting yourself when you say you like MSSQL and you say use MYSQL!

]]> By: Sri... http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-786 Sri... Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:14:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-786 Well, rails could be a successor of PHP, but yet on a implementation part it looks weak on a Interoperability needs, and its support level needs to increase.<br/><br/>I would be happy if the standard is raised and we shall always have PHP and RoR to completely replace all existing CGI scripting!!<br/><br/>this could throw more light on the fact: http://www.pluggd.in/2007/06/open-source-vs-contemporary.html Well, rails could be a successor of PHP, but yet on a implementation part it looks weak on a Interoperability needs, and its support level needs to increase.

I would be happy if the standard is raised and we shall always have PHP and RoR to completely replace all existing CGI scripting!!

this could throw more light on the fact: http://www.pluggd.in/2007/06/open-source-vs-contemporary.html

]]> By: Ajay http://www.pluggd.in/guest-post/php-for-startupshtml-489/comment-page-1/#comment-784 Ajay Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:42:00 +0000 http://pluggd.in/2007/07/technology-for-startups-php-or-net/#comment-784 Nice article Sri. But why do you think PHP is better than ROR? For me rails rocks Nice article Sri. But why do you think PHP is better than ROR? For me rails rocks

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