Comments on: Entrepreneurship – The China vs. India Divide

By: damia

damia — Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:50:36 +0000

Something I don’t understand, why most of the indian i met in UK are so proud of the language of their forme master ? They have screwed and plunderred India for 200 year, british empire grow on the expences of India, yet most of the Indian I met don’t resent a bit and proud to ‘inherit’ the language of the former master. Some even suggeted that ‘Inglish’ should becme the national language. WOW! LONG LIVE THE QUEEN!
Correct me if wrong, India has most spoken/written language in the world, yet the queen’s language is the edge and advantage ? Do they expect the world rush to India to leanr ‘Inglish’ when become a superpower in future?
Don’t get me wrong, i am not anti-English, it is my second language.

*Note : I don’t buy Sony/BMW because the Japanese/german speak good english.

By: Eva - And a Chinese

Eva - And a Chinese — Sat, 20 Feb 2010 01:41:49 +0000

I am sorry but I really lost you when you said “Dont think we cant beat you just because you are ahead of us for the fist time is 4000 years old history.” I respect India culture but remember China is also one of the four ancient civilizations in the world. I am not sure why you will think the China is only ahead of India for the first time in history. We are the only ancient civilization which has never been disrupted and still alive today.

China was ahead of Europe and America in both technology and economy only about 200 years ago. I can assure you most Chinese still think we are behind comparing our ancestors. To us, it is more about bringing back the past glory.

By: Eva

Eva — Sat, 20 Feb 2010 01:30:31 +0000

Disclaimer: I am a Chinese American living in California. I grew up in Hong Kong and had traveled China for leisure many times. I also visited India (Delhi and Bangalore) with my MBA class in 2005.

1. When I was in India, I was shocked by the no. of seemingly homeless people all the way from Dali to Taj Mahi. There are homeless people in China, but the proportion is probably closer to those in NY. I am surprised that among all of the postings above, very few people addressed the need of the poor.

2. One of the main advantage for China to focus on manufacturing is the fact that the industry can create ten of millions of jobs. Don’t believe the Western media which made it sounds like Chinese workers are slaves. I have seen reports that factory workers riots and took over factory when they are not allowed to do overtime and earn more money.

3. I found it laughable when the media made it sounds like Chinese just save, never consume. Chinese, like other East Asian people, like to be prepared for adversary in life. However, as their nest of egg grow, they will start to spend. It is true that American and European will find it hard to sell to Chinese. It is simply because most of the consumer products are made in China now a day, including a lot of brand names.

4. Like Zoro said, you need to see to believe. Go to Beijing and Shanghai but also smaller, second rated cities.

5. If you are a middle class not particularly interested in politic, I assure you that there are plenty of freedom in China.

By: wenwen

wenwen — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:54:34 +0000

that’s so funny but to the point!

By: wenwen

wenwen — Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:41:37 +0000

well, the sad thing is I can’t even understand the Indianlish (Indian English!)

By: Indian

Indian — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:25:36 +0000

A tiger is fed well in a zoo but it would always want to hunt or starve if necessary in a forest . This is called freedom . Learn from Tiger my high IQed chinese friends .

Democracy and republic are not imported to india from west . Harappa and Mohonjodaro were democarcies in 2000BC!

Indians are peace loving people . Whoever invaded India, made india their home and lived since then . Culturally rich! .

We drove off British because we were idelogically better,in our struggle for freedom . it is difficult to fight with non- volience than with machine-guns .And this is indegenious we did not import communism from west . you idiots dont even have ideology of your own

Please be informed that india was very good economically .
Greeks during the ancient times , Europeans dring the medivial came in search of India to beg for buisness . The britishers have wreked havoc on indian economy. And thats the reason why we are competing with ppl like you now.

Dont forget that we are at the worst in the history and you are at your best. Dont think we cant beat you just because you are ahead of us for the fist time is 4000 years old history .

By: praveen

praveen — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:56:08 +0000

Income Distribution by Country : http://www.visualeconomics.com/income-distribution-by-country/

By: A Chinese

A Chinese — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:55:13 +0000

The “A Vietnamese”’s words about chinese people are not true. Actually your wording showed your hatre to chinese.

By: Pankaj

Pankaj — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:59:02 +0000

The calculation of Genie coefficient is different in India. As usual, this so called democratic India lies to its people. The whole world calculates genie coefficient based on INCOME but our so called democratic country calculates based on CONSUMPTION.
Now we all know that after a certain consumption level, it hardly goes up but income level can go up to no limit. I mean if you take Genie coefficient o GMR Rao and Mukesh Ambhani based on consumption, the figure will almost be equal but if you use income, the figure will show big inequality.

You must learn some of the evil trick that this so called democracy plays.

By: praveen

praveen — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:28:26 +0000

Why India will overtake China (CNN) : http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/30/magazines/fortune/IndiavsChina_pluggedin.fortune/index.htm

Government’s Positive Role in Kick-Starting Entrepreneurship(HBR) : http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/6318.html

By: gaurav

gaurav — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:20:44 +0000

if the chinese think they r most superior then i think they need mental check up…………every human being in this world is equal and god has gifted every race, caste , creed with equal amount of intelligence, courage and love…Even the white people thought they were superior….the chinese will sooner then later learn there lesson. If judiciary and media is not free in a country i dont think the social structure can be healthy in such a place……USA as democracy has survived for centuries and is the best example of free and fair society……..with good economic growth as well

By: A Vietnamese

A Vietnamese — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 06:28:37 +0000

Chinese never has colonial inferior complex. They believe they are most superior race in the planet. One can look at letter which Emperor Qianlong sent to British Queen. They feel humiliated during last two hundreds years because inferior race conquered them and dominated them.

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By: gaurav

gaurav — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:13:33 +0000

the other incident about killing of youth outside nightclub happened in china…u can check that on the net….social justice is very necessary for a long term sustained growth….

By: gaurav

gaurav — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:09:41 +0000

I will say that even if india is growing at a slower speed than china………….but still as the saying goes slow and steady wins the race………..our PM has also mentioned that values of democracy are better to follow…GDP is not everything…….i saw an article yesterday that told that a young student was beaten up to death by 6 police officers outside a nightclub and his body was left on the road for whole night for the public to see…compare this in ghaziabad(delhi NCR) a man was killed by a bullet from the police when he was running to escape from the police raid…the locals lashed out in anger and put the police station on fire…the local police has suspended the 3 cops responsible for the death….but in china the cops r free and still in service

By: Zoro

Zoro — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:42:20 +0000

That’s a hard one. I wish I have the answers.

Both India and China are developing countries. As such, they are both plagued by corruption. And both are filled with people who have no respect for the law.

In my humble opinion, unless we can rid society of these 2 cancers, there just isn’t very much we can do.

I would suggest the best way to start is by education. Not just education for the elite, as seems to be the case in India, but for the whole popuation.

I guess that is one of the areas the Chinese government has done very well in. And the Chinese are starting to reap the benefits from that. It may be a surprise to people like Kumar, corruption levels in China is actually quite low compared to most developing countries.

By: vardhan

vardhan — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:22:17 +0000

yes Zoro there is no point complaining if it doesnot change anything.

Can u show any other way than shouting slogans in a democratic

country.

I think then blogging is also way of wasting time.

By: Zoro

Zoro — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:19:24 +0000

Gini coefficient by itself is not meaningful. You have to put it into context of the countries you are comparing.

For example, the USA also has higher gini coefficient than India. Does that mean India is a better place to live than the US? Does that mean Indians are happier than Americans?

If you care to look at the total picture, you will see that China and the US leads India in almost EVERY SINGLE measurable Human Development Index including literacy, IQ, education level, wealth, life expectancy, infant mortality rate, …etc.
(Yes, you saw it right: including IQ!!)

( My appologies to my Indian friends on my side of the debate. I don’t usually compare things so bluntly. But I just had to respond )

By: Zoro

Zoro — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:02:06 +0000

Frankly, there is not much point complaining if it doesn’t change anything. Shouting empty slogans in the air is meaningless.

If you do insist on shouting slogans, you should have been shouting “put food on our tables”. Again I suggest you go to China and see for yourself how people live.

( And see my response above to your previous post )

By: Zoro

Zoro — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:52:19 +0000

Kumar,

I didn’t come here to argue with you. But I have to point out that most of the things you say are either false or at least not the way you portray them to be. For example :

1) No, China has more religious freedom than you imagine. China has the most Budhists in the world, I think the 3rd most Muslims in the world. There are countless Budhist temples, Muslim mosques, Christian churches and Jewish synagogs in China.

2) Sure, if your wife was to have 2 kids, the 2nd child would lose all benefits and rights. But even if so, your kid would probably still end up with a better life in China than in India. As I said, go there and see for yourself.

3) No, come on! What are you talking about? Kids in China are not forced by the authorities to train for Olympic gold. Their parents force them to train for gold, not the government. And not just for the Olympics, but also for university entrance, etc.

4) As for complaining, what good is complaining in India if you can’t change ANYTHING. How would that be better than in China? I would much prefer food on the table and clean drinking water than shouting empty slogans for change.

5) A gap of 10 years??? You have to be dreaming! I went to China 14 years ago. No one single Indian city TODAY can match an average city in China 14 years ago. And I mean it! Don’t believe me. Ask anyone who has been to China 14 years ago.

By: arvind

arvind — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:46:57 +0000

i pretty much agree with what u r saying. but the article is about the race in technology, business and entrepreneurship. that’s where China is leading most other countries…

By: kumar

kumar — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:39:22 +0000

If the same thing happens in china can u atleast protest against authorities which is very muc possible in india and they got huge media coverage which is highly impossible in china.

People waiting for generations bcos they got a little hope where as in china, onspot they will fart and piss on ur face my dear brainless Bigg “no”.

Injustice is every where my dear but

We atleast got right to fight man….(irrespective of results).

I am not portraying china as an evil country but saying comparatively india is better than china in human values & Rights.

By: praveen

praveen — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:16:01 +0000

There is Gini coefficient that tells, the gap between rich and poor of a country.

The gini coefficient is higher in China than India, indicating a greater disparity between the haves and the have nots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

By: Anuj Rathi

Anuj Rathi — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:08:42 +0000

Do you have any idea how many tribals are displaced because of the dam constructions in the past 50 years? Do you have any idea how many of them have been rehabilitated? Hint: The answer is in crores. Although I don’t quite like Arundhati Roy, but do read “Algebra of infinite justice” for an essay on the same topic.

I was two years old when my family was stuck in Bhopal Gas tragedy. And I still know a hundred families personally who haven’t gotten any relief from the government. Heck, people who have lost their relative, their limbs or the eyes were just shown the door after being granted mere twenty five thousand rupees if they were lucky.

Read up something about India as well, before portraying China as the all evil country.

By: BIGGGG "NO"

BIGGGG "NO" — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:50:39 +0000

Bhopal gas tragedy guys/relatives are waiting for justice for one generation. You should actually go n face some land based issue with the authorities. Or may be even open a legitimate business like a restaurent. Your big FART “no” will die within your ass only.

By: vardhan

vardhan — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:17:58 +0000

Yes , i agree with Kumar.

“China may become powerful bt not its people”

I have a friend from china,where his land was occupied by chinese authorities and want to build an SEZ .the thing is he got only 10% of the land value as compensation and he cannot atleast question the authorities there where as in india we can drag the government to court which is impossible in china. Here we can atleast gets delayed judgement.

When some other land owners went to protest against the gov the police ended the case by putting them in jail and tortured them like anything.

One day definitely the quality of life will be developed in india and equals to china and at that if u ask the question (ofcourse it will take decades).

” will u swap ur home and livehood with ur chinese counterparts”

definitely the answer will be a BIGGGGG “NO”

By: kumar

kumar — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:46:13 +0000

Zoro,

I agree with u, i cant come back leaving a quality life in a great country like china and i am sure i cannot post this blog as
communists dont want me to do this.

my parents will give up their religious things to live in china.

my wife will giveup her desire of having two kids to have a quality of life in china.

my kids will be forcefully trained for an olympic gold .

even then i cant go against authorities of china and i have to pose like saying long live mao… with a burning heart inside..

wat i am trying to say is we cant go against atleast protest against government in china even if it impose some odd restrictions.

china will put the stake of its people lives to show great numbers in terms of building,gold medals, gdp to the world.

yes, we can lead great quality of life in china if we can sacrifice some things.

values and natural growth are sustainable in long term which is not possible with china.

China started liberalisation 30 years back & india started 20 years back a gap of 10 years is there .it will take time for us to get results and we are growing with democratic values.We people of india leads the india growth unlike in china where gov
decides everything

Still ,”china may become powerful but not its people”

By: sam

sam — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:31:17 +0000

great article……