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		<title>By: Ankit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ankit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sanket aka anonymous coward. 

I have seen many a time, people like this loser, who don&#039;t have balls/guts to identify himself throwing abuses at others. 

We are one of the companies who have been funded by Vishal Gondal&#039;s fund. I can just laugh at you and feel pity for you at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sanket aka anonymous coward. </p>
<p>I have seen many a time, people like this loser, who don&#8217;t have balls/guts to identify himself throwing abuses at others. </p>
<p>We are one of the companies who have been funded by Vishal Gondal&#8217;s fund. I can just laugh at you and feel pity for you at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Entrepreneurs beware!!! Vishal invests 10 ~ 20 lacs in a startup and takes 50% stake.

I also heard that he has very little &#039;funds&#039;

dont waste your time guys!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Entrepreneurs beware!!! Vishal invests 10 ~ 20 lacs in a startup and takes 50% stake.</p>
<p>I also heard that he has very little &#8216;funds&#8217;</p>
<p>dont waste your time guys!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sinbad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinbad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sensationalized journalism --- article not backed with any proper data. I hardly see any ABCD VC on the ground. Almost all VCs would want someone with previous India experience or at least investment experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sensationalized journalism &#8212; article not backed with any proper data. I hardly see any ABCD VC on the ground. Almost all VCs would want someone with previous India experience or at least investment experience.</p>
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		<title>By: vishal</title>
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		<dc:creator>vishal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks all for the wonderful comments and observations.....

I do agree that the article is childish but Don&#039;t Children speak the truth??

@Ram Ojas is certainly a good example of a good VC fund

@Amit you make a very intelligent point and I call these startups &quot;X-Startup&quot; where Indian and teams from Isreal, AU, NZ, russia etc work together

@Rajesh which fluffy idea are you talking about? it will be great if you can elaborate

@guru @pavan thanks for the support :-)



 @kasi I do own a gun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks all for the wonderful comments and observations&#8230;..</p>
<p>I do agree that the article is childish but Don&#8217;t Children speak the truth??</p>
<p>@Ram Ojas is certainly a good example of a good VC fund</p>
<p>@Amit you make a very intelligent point and I call these startups &#8220;X-Startup&#8221; where Indian and teams from Isreal, AU, NZ, russia etc work together</p>
<p>@Rajesh which fluffy idea are you talking about? it will be great if you can elaborate</p>
<p>@guru @pavan thanks for the support <img src='http://www.pluggd.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p> @kasi I do own a gun!</p>
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		<title>By: VIVEK RAJAGOPALAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>VIVEK RAJAGOPALAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incredibly childish article !</description>
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		<title>By: Ram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article. There are definitely a number of funds in India which have strong connections and experience of doing business in India. Ojas Ventures is one such example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article. There are definitely a number of funds in India which have strong connections and experience of doing business in India. Ojas Ventures is one such example.</p>
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		<title>By: Amit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting take. 

I am also seeing a lot of IBCAs - Indian born confused americans making the trek back to the home market. Folks who came out west 15-20 odd years ago and now want to participate in the (seemingly) bubbling Indian market. 

My view is to flip the model Vishal highlighted - i.e. a &quot;1 man&quot; office in the US instead of India. Have majority of operations and decision making in India. Pull from the US for technology, product, etc but only local experience can make a business succeed in India. 

And fund extremely carefully - this lesson actually comes from the US. Too much money can lead to too much waste in the wrong places. Indian start-ups are perfect candidates for low burn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting take. </p>
<p>I am also seeing a lot of IBCAs &#8211; Indian born confused americans making the trek back to the home market. Folks who came out west 15-20 odd years ago and now want to participate in the (seemingly) bubbling Indian market. </p>
<p>My view is to flip the model Vishal highlighted &#8211; i.e. a &#8220;1 man&#8221; office in the US instead of India. Have majority of operations and decision making in India. Pull from the US for technology, product, etc but only local experience can make a business succeed in India. </p>
<p>And fund extremely carefully &#8211; this lesson actually comes from the US. Too much money can lead to too much waste in the wrong places. Indian start-ups are perfect candidates for low burn.</p>
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		<title>By: Abhishek J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abhishek J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting article , I agree with you partly on some points but i think you are generalizing a bit there may be a few characters but not all of them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting article , I agree with you partly on some points but i think you are generalizing a bit there may be a few characters but not all of them</p>
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		<title>By: Rajesh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vishal -Even though you aren&#039;t a ABCD, you too invested in a fluffy idea wihch copies stuff from the web and publishes that.

Isnt that a copycat thing to do? The +ve way to look at things is that many of these ABCDs have taken some risks and invested in companies..but most of the desi investors have invested in real estate!
So where do tech cos. go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vishal -Even though you aren&#8217;t a ABCD, you too invested in a fluffy idea wihch copies stuff from the web and publishes that.</p>
<p>Isnt that a copycat thing to do? The +ve way to look at things is that many of these ABCDs have taken some risks and invested in companies..but most of the desi investors have invested in real estate!<br />
So where do tech cos. go?</p>
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		<title>By: Pravin Kawadkar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pravin Kawadkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. May be bold to generilize  VC&#039;s behaviour. One more thing I guess these ABCDs most of the time work with ABCDs or NRIs (Non reliable Indians)  only, otherwise I always wonder why indian entrepreneur needs $5m to start something. It is whopping sum man almost 20-22 Crores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. May be bold to generilize  VC&#8217;s behaviour. One more thing I guess these ABCDs most of the time work with ABCDs or NRIs (Non reliable Indians)  only, otherwise I always wonder why indian entrepreneur needs $5m to start something. It is whopping sum man almost 20-22 Crores.</p>
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		<title>By: creADivity</title>
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		<dc:creator>creADivity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makes a lot of sense!</description>
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		<title>By: Sumeet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sumeet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Shun the me2 and embrace the we2 start ups&quot;...go with the challengers and not the copy cats.

a dream which may become true for startups starting in 2015!  

May god give them a sense of their own and ability to do their Karma (take risk and fund innovation) and not worry about the outcome.  Thats the only way to make returns now.

If people only learn the hard way, this recession is the right time to learn and change the investment approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Shun the me2 and embrace the we2 start ups&#8221;&#8230;go with the challengers and not the copy cats.</p>
<p>a dream which may become true for startups starting in 2015!  </p>
<p>May god give them a sense of their own and ability to do their Karma (take risk and fund innovation) and not worry about the outcome.  Thats the only way to make returns now.</p>
<p>If people only learn the hard way, this recession is the right time to learn and change the investment approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Kasi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kasi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucky Vishal Gondal does not have a permit for GUN. He would have shot down some of the ABCDs at the airport itself :-) 

When looking at some of the investment that went in mobile VAS, Social networking and travel start-ups...no wonder this post deserves a special
mention.

Finishing line was marvelous &quot; My request to them is to keep away from Indian Start-ups, and invest in listed companies we want the stock market to touch 25k soon&quot;... HA HA HA HA :-)  what a way to kick some ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucky Vishal Gondal does not have a permit for GUN. He would have shot down some of the ABCDs at the airport itself <img src='http://www.pluggd.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>When looking at some of the investment that went in mobile VAS, Social networking and travel start-ups&#8230;no wonder this post deserves a special<br />
mention.</p>
<p>Finishing line was marvelous &#8221; My request to them is to keep away from Indian Start-ups, and invest in listed companies we want the stock market to touch 25k soon&#8221;&#8230; HA HA HA HA <img src='http://www.pluggd.in/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   what a way to kick some ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An exemplary effort to put things in a different perspective. To be honest i didn&#039;t knew such &#039;characters&#039; exists. (On lighter side ,had I known one of them I would have given him some run for his itch to burn cash)

Very good article vishal.Great punchline &quot;its their way of giving it back to their motherland!&quot;. the mailbox pic is apt aswell.:) 

I completely agree with observation of the copycat mindset some show in community.just because some socialnetwork/sms texting concept is hot in US,most people back in India try and jump into ship.  

I think the basic point missed by these people is,we as a country have to catchup around 50-100 yrs of progress comparing to these western world.

The attempt should not be to catchup bypassing basic needs and trying to stay in rythm with current affairs ,but in trying to finish the basics at a greater pace.

Right now services needed in India are around Education and infrastructure to reach masses in rural not just major cities.Not some service which delivers a stupid message on a mobile saying &quot; I just chased a frog out of my home...&quot; (one classic twitter message ended up on my blog roll this week)

last note,there are some typo&#039;s in the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An exemplary effort to put things in a different perspective. To be honest i didn&#8217;t knew such &#8216;characters&#8217; exists. (On lighter side ,had I known one of them I would have given him some run for his itch to burn cash)</p>
<p>Very good article vishal.Great punchline &#8220;its their way of giving it back to their motherland!&#8221;. the mailbox pic is apt aswell.:) </p>
<p>I completely agree with observation of the copycat mindset some show in community.just because some socialnetwork/sms texting concept is hot in US,most people back in India try and jump into ship.  </p>
<p>I think the basic point missed by these people is,we as a country have to catchup around 50-100 yrs of progress comparing to these western world.</p>
<p>The attempt should not be to catchup bypassing basic needs and trying to stay in rythm with current affairs ,but in trying to finish the basics at a greater pace.</p>
<p>Right now services needed in India are around Education and infrastructure to reach masses in rural not just major cities.Not some service which delivers a stupid message on a mobile saying &#8221; I just chased a frog out of my home&#8230;&#8221; (one classic twitter message ended up on my blog roll this week)</p>
<p>last note,there are some typo&#8217;s in the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Guru Panguji</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guru Panguji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t deny the existence of such cases, we are still probably generalizing the crowd. And generalization is never really a good thing. =)

However, I most agree with the following comment.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But the story still doesn’t end… as none of the investors have really made money.. the saddest part is what the ABCDs report back to HQ. India doesn’t really have a good start-up eco-system and most company are just a bunch of copycat start-ups, the founders are very immature and cant take positively to professional management and the internet as a business has not matured in India due to lack of infrastructure and small advertising market and high revenue shares taken by mobile operators. Final recommendation is the fund should invest in bigger deals with matured companies….. deal size $5m to $20m and that’s the only way the US VCs can make money in India.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I personally believe in a totally different eco system for countries with humongous populations like India. If there is a centralized system that we always refer to in India, the country will continue its trend of &quot;rich getting richer, and poor getting poorer.&quot; We really need to trash the existing concept of capitalism, and rely on the concept of entrepreneurship. India can and should have multiple vendors catering to locales. Consolidation can happen at a later stage. And more importantly, we definitely need companies solving real world problems of Indians. And I sincerely hope these ABCD/not VCs have the galls to fund such ventures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t deny the existence of such cases, we are still probably generalizing the crowd. And generalization is never really a good thing. =)</p>
<p>However, I most agree with the following comment.</p>
<blockquote><p>But the story still doesn’t end… as none of the investors have really made money.. the saddest part is what the ABCDs report back to HQ. India doesn’t really have a good start-up eco-system and most company are just a bunch of copycat start-ups, the founders are very immature and cant take positively to professional management and the internet as a business has not matured in India due to lack of infrastructure and small advertising market and high revenue shares taken by mobile operators. Final recommendation is the fund should invest in bigger deals with matured companies….. deal size $5m to $20m and that’s the only way the US VCs can make money in India.</p></blockquote>
<p>I personally believe in a totally different eco system for countries with humongous populations like India. If there is a centralized system that we always refer to in India, the country will continue its trend of &#8220;rich getting richer, and poor getting poorer.&#8221; We really need to trash the existing concept of capitalism, and rely on the concept of entrepreneurship. India can and should have multiple vendors catering to locales. Consolidation can happen at a later stage. And more importantly, we definitely need companies solving real world problems of Indians. And I sincerely hope these ABCD/not VCs have the galls to fund such ventures.</p>
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